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Do you agree that the young generation is a generation that does not remember: MM?
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Do you agree that the young generation is a generation that does not remember: MM?

SINGAPORE - In his first, albeit indirect, comments about the results of Saturday's General Election, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew said at a community event in Tanglin Halt last night that "2011 has seen a generation that does not remember from whence we came, but that is to be expected. But I do, and those amongst you who are over 50 will remember".

He also cautioned: "Do not believe that the Singapore flight can be on auto-pilot. We will run into storms, we will run into all kinds of emergencies and we must have good pilots on board." The Minister Mentor was speaking to residents in Queenstown to celebrate the completion of several pavilions at a community plaza.

See http://www.todayonline.com/Hotnews/EDC110509-0000532/A-generation-that-does-not-remember--MM

Are we ungrateful lot or we really cannot take any more of PAP's foreign talent policy and loose immigrant policy? Do you feel good that you have played an important role in sending out a clear signal to PAP that Singaporeans are rejecting PAP's foreign talent policy and loose immigrant policy? Do you feel sad that MM seems to be playing the blame game and blame the voters for PAP own failures instead of reflecting on what they have done? Do you think it is very arrogant of PAP to fault others and not themselves based on MM inital assessment of swing in votes?
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[quote='Discuss' pid='162' dateline='1304907796']
Do you agree that the young generation is a generation that does not remember: MM?

I believe it takes a person to have a certain experiences in their encounters to appreciate what we have in our small nation. A prosper nation is not built overnight. It takes years' of hardwork, planning, courage, implementing etc etc and most importantly 'love'. Love the people, love the nation that motivates the people to serve. Young generation are fortunate therefore may not know or understand hardship in the past eg riot, strike, proverty etc. The elders need to guide and dialogue with the young. We have truly blessed to have our MM LKY to lead the nation. Thank you, also to PM Lee and his team. I know you are not perfect but I believe you have done your best.
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#3
It is too costly for PAP to lose 1 GRC and almost lost 3 more GRCs if not for lesser calibre opposition in exchange for 1 foreign talent policy and immigrant policy.

In Aljunied GRC, voters are willing to give up 2 ministers and 1 capable Malay MP in exchange for opposition.

Voters in Marine Parade are willing to give up SM Goh, 1 General and 1 Doctor for only 1 good speaker on opposition side.

The ground so bad that voters are willingly to exchange 3 gold pieces for 1 bronze coin.

The ground is not just angry with Foreign Talent policy and immigrant policy, they must be mad at PAP as seen by they are so willingly to exchange for so much lesser. PAP better reflect on themselves whether to continue some policies that may eventually cost them to lose and become opposition instead.
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#4
We are now enjoying the fruits of the older generation MM Lee and their team that has fought hard in the past. A good and clean environment, stable financial economic, unemployment rate is kept at the lowest, no racial and religion disputes, has good education system, good healthcare system, CPF system etc..

I can't say for every young people that the young generation has forgotten its roots but it seems like its human nature to forget one's past credits and keep asking what hv you done for me !

Our govt can only tell and guide us what to do, the rest is up to us to strive for our better future. We cannot always be asking for more money. Lower GST. Lower income tax. No ERP. No COE. No fines.

Is this is the characteristic of every singaporean, always asking for free things, every thing wants to be cheap, if possible no need to pay etc.. There is no such thing as free, cheap and good things. There is a price to be pay for every good quality things.

Can more opposition comes into parliament means lower GST, lower income tax, No ERP & COE, more CPF etc... I doubt so. This is a country, it is not easy to run a country with juz rules, systems and policies.
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Yes. I do agree 'they must be mad at PAP by they so willingly to exchange for so much lesser.'
This makes the situation scary. The citizens just mad at PAP and do not care whether other parties have the capability of governing the nation. I believe they just want to get their message across to PAP of their inner unhappiness.

A working lady told me that PAP did well for the nation and she is thankful to them. However, she also has her grouses. She hopes PAP would helps the elderly in transportation and health costs. Her income is sufficient to provide for her own family with two children. However, when parents and parents-in-law (four aged persons) need her financial support, especially in health care, it is then she thinks that opposition could be her voice to the PAP. Is just a dilemna - she wants PAP to win and she also want opposition to be her voice. Such that, she is also sadden when PAP lost the Aljunied GRC.
It is really time, PAP gets feedback and hear the grievances of the people.
I am scare if there are too many govern parties in a country there would be disunity and eventually lost the strength to face the external issues and problems.
PM Lee and the team, 61% of the people wants you and many more still wants you to rule the nation. Some just want PAP to address some of the elderly daily basic needs relating to transportation and health care. these group of elderly people are not working, no income and no savings.
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Yes, we are enjoying the fruits of previous generations and many Singaporeans are angry that new immigrants just come in so easily and enjoy what their fathers and mothers fought and slog so hard for so many years. This is the great sense of unfairness that many people want to tell the government but each time they feedback this, our arrogant ministers become teachers and teach them we must thank the foreign talents and we need foreigners blah blah blah. People become very angry, including new immigrant who came earlier who obviously joined in and voted against PAP. Bear in mind, new immigrants who came earlier are also human and also feel angry that they came much earlier and now go to share this very overcrowded island some more with even more immigrants. Now the feedback is loud and clear to the government.
(9th May 2011, 05:26 PM)tlim Wrote: I can't say for every young people that the young generation has forgotten its roots but it seems like its human nature to forget one's past credits and keep asking what hv you done for me !

Our govt can only tell and guide us what to do, the rest is up to us to strive for our better future. We cannot always be asking for more money. Lower GST. Lower income tax. No ERP. No COE. No fines.

Is this is the characteristic of every singaporean, always asking for free things, every thing wants to be cheap, if possible no need to pay etc.. There is no such thing as free, cheap and good things. There is a price to be pay for every good quality things.

Can more opposition comes into parliament means lower GST, lower income tax, No ERP & COE, more CPF etc... I doubt so. This is a country, it is not easy to run a country with juz rules, systems and policies.

You must be young and single. The pressures of life have become untolerable and unbearing that voters are willing to vote for dog or cow but PAP, isn't that telling you something that you could not see. It is not just 1 person but few hundreds of thousands are feeling that way based on the way vote swinged away from PAP.

PAP has obviously been deaf to the ground and ignored the complaints of the ground. People just want opposition to give PAP some competition as PAP has been pressurizing the people by giving the people competition from more foreigners and more immigrants onto a very overcrowded island. People can see for themselves that with competition in 1991 GE, PAP after losing 4 seats in parliament becomes very listening and attentive and after 6 months convened a cost review committee which concluded that costs did became unbearable then. Therefore people prefer to vote for opposition for competitive sake and to improve PAP policies. Don't you agree that will be better for you and me too?

Many of us who went through several elections are old hand in scare and ungrateful tactics by PAP. This time because you got to vote, you then need to read and for the first time come across such scare tactics and ungrateful tactics by PAP. Come next few elections, you will hear the same tactics coming from PAP, which frankly is boring and mind you, they are paid millions for their work. (Aljunied GRC has been contested twice, so voters over there have heard PAP propaganda and read pro-PAP Straits Times publication of overwhelming pro-PAP letters to the press before, but yet they still voted for Workers' Party at clear margin, this tells you that voters are not stupid, only 1st time voters are naive.)
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As the nation process and marching into a 1st World nation, everyone is face with problems. It can be high living cost, high transportation, high health cost, not enough money for retirement and worst of all, we are face with insufficient income to provide for all the above.

In terms of finanical support whether it is on living cost, transportation, healthcare, social security, do you think opposition could be able to help much? I doubt so. In Singapore, the poor, average and above average covers the most. Do you think the average income has surplus after providing for their own and family? Maybe slightly better than the poor in staying in a better house and environment, hv better meals, may owe a car, some insurance, provide enough for children and may spend on some luxury items but is not left with much for savings and retirment. So how can one retire even at the age of 60 yrs old? Don't you think is pathetic?

In Singapore, everyone is worry abt the bread and butter! In Singapore, we hv a team of PAP that is experience, well educated, well travel. They are seeing things beyond 20 to 30 yrs since back in the year 2000. During the economic crisis since year 2000, the govt has imprement alot of things, such as the raise of ceiling for the CPF, the retirement age, medishield, eldershield, healthcare etc. but it seems nobody listens and understand what they are going to tell us.

Singaporean is not well educated enough to know what is the problem that we will be facing in our future. We hv to know the problem we will be facing in our future, we will take charge and not wait for someone to arrange and tell us what to do, by then it will be too late.

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Since PAP cannot do it for the last 5 years, why not vote for opposition to force them to govern better? Without competition or fear of losing some more seats, there is simply no competitive pressure to do better.

Remember PAP ministers are paid millions to do the job, let them do the job, why should opposition do the job for them? Opposition has to do opposition job, ministers do minister jobs, that should be logical way. Until opposition becomes ministers then they have to do ministers jobs then, very simple logic. How can opposition do the job of ministers while ministers relax one corner and still be highly paid? Doesn't make sense to anybody.
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[quote='vincent' pid='174' dateline='1304952244']
This statement seems quite unfair "Since PAP cannot do it for the last 5 years" If PAP did not do their job, we will not be enjoying the peace of the country. We will not ride over the economic crisis. We will not enjoy the many improved infrastructure and many many more. All these are enjoyed by the whole nation, so perhaps individual citizen may not recongize it.

Yes, every working person is given a position to do their work and to do it well, regardless is minister or a cleaner. The ministers did well in relating to the progress of the nation. Probably now PAP needs to concentrate more on individual needs.

PAP deserves recognition from the citizens too.
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You have answered it yourself - It is the job of the government to govern well.

They are paid millions for their job and their duties. Once they have changed the pay scale to be the highest paid ministers in public office, the moral compass is lost, volunteers who are serving the public for years are more deserving of recognition.

As you are a PAP supporter, you can only see from your side, switch side and ask yourself why would so many people voted against PAP if life is so good as you term it? Ask yourself, are those people seeing something you cannot discern? Ask yourself, despite so many pro-PAP write up or ST forum letters, but yet many people have switched side from 2001 to 2011? Ask yourself, what happened between 2001 to 2011 that resulted in such a swing against PAP and lost of 1 GRC and near lost of 3 GRCs for not so great quality of candidates, some who are not even NUS or NTU graduates?
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